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The Russ Belville Show #41 – Medical Marijuana on a Southern Ballot?

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August 13, 2012
by Russ Belville
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  • Greenlv

    The Seattle Hempfest is remaining Neutral because it is Respecting the large number of people who have attended, vended, and created the event for 21 years who do not agree with i502. 

    Many of us are against what we see as a road to eroded liberty and think calling i502 ‘legalization’ is media Lie. You “understand the DUI is unscientific:” but would still make it law? Can you not see that this is a total deal breaker for many people who live in Washington State where public transportation is lacking, cops are Nazi troopers and car-culture dominates? Who wants, or can afford, to got to court to fight what would become a financial institution of DUI’s? The Northwest growing scene in Legendary, and you want us to call anything ‘legalization’ when it would be still a Crime to Grow at Home? This is not back then, this is now, and ‘Legalization’ will be what we settle for. Colorado and Oregon are way closer to getting this right, Right now! But we in Washington are supposed to roll-over to State power for a supposed ‘greater good’? No good can come from that kind of capitulation. 502 is Bad Law and Will Not Pass.

    • http://radicalruss.com/ RadicalRuss

      So, you attended, vended, and built an event for 21 years for… neutrality on the first step to legalization Washington’s had in 42 years.  So, you fought and fought for legalization but, nyah, this one isn’t good enough, let’s wait another… how many years?… for the next legalization to come around.  10,000 more misdemeanor marijuana arrests per year, eh, not as bad as increasing the risk of a DUID.

      News flash:  You can get DUIDs now.  You can get them for 5ng/ml blood draw, you’re going to get a DUID now.

      And if you’re such a great driver over 5ng, why are you getting pulled over?  Broken taillight?  OK, then why are you failing the field sobriety test?  Bad balance?  It certainly couldn’t be the case that some people who smoke pot all day every day might actually exhibit some impairment, so let’s just pretend it’s only the “Nazi troopers” (really? Washington state cops are gassing Jews, really?) just being profiling assholes going after tokers who drive.

      If that’s the case, those assholes exist already, and they’re using marijuana’s illegality to shake down people on the streets (walking and driving) now.  Let’s take one of their tools away.  We can’t forestall legalization because some cops are assholes or we’ll never legalize.

      This is such bizarro land.  I am used to prohibitionists screaming that the sky will fall if we legalize marijuana… I’m not used to it from pro-marijuana activists.

      • Greenlv

        News Flash yourself ‘radical’- DUI’s for pot are not standard reality here in Washington. Not really part of our Reality until now, fact. Under i502 Cops would begin standard procedure pot DUI’s, even Norm Stamper admits they would be apt to start sniffing for stoners. The cottage industry that would be built would become financially institutionalized as the cash rolled in the cops would continue to feed that furnace. 

        Check the latest Federal Report on Seattle Cops and you will get an idea east-coaster. The Police culture changed here after WTO, that was before you were radical, right? Oh, and ‘Nazi’ is a commonly used term today to describe State power gone fascist, you know that, and cloud the issue with the Jew talk.

        Where did I say I was a great driver? I did not. I can drive stoned and your DUI does not prove impairment. We both know that the DUI is ‘Arbitrary, unscientific, and unnecessary as Stated by norml. But Washington should roll over for a greater good? You did this to win the votes of soccer-moms, you lost some of us who been living this way longer then you’ve been awake to it.

        Colorado and Oregon are getting way closer to getting this right, Right now! But you want to sell me the fear that this is the only shot?

        Annnnnnd what about Home Growing ‘radical? It is ‘legal’ for me to by an ounce from State sanctioned store under i502 but I cannot grow it at Home? This neutered notion you support? You really expect the home of the Indoor to go for that? Pathetic. 

        Get used to the Truth ‘radical’, i502 is Bad Law and Will Not Pass.

        • http://radicalruss.com/ RadicalRuss

          Thank you for visiting the site. I’m sorry you think a slightly elevated chance of a DUI is worth opposing Washington’s first shot at legalization in 42 years of drug war. I’m sorry you’re willing to see another 8,000 <1oz marijuana arrests continue each year until you can get the soccer moms ready for the legalization that you can raise millions of dollars and thousands of signatures and dozens of high-profile, ballot-friendly supporters to get on the ballot. Because defeating I-502 guarantees another year of prohibition guaranteed, more likely four years.

          And by the way, while bickering here over whether we ought to end 1oz criminality, the FDA is fast-tracking Sativex and getting ready to give the federal government the ultimate face-saving "out" by making cannabis *products* Schedule II. You want your medical marijuana? You'll get it, in a bar-coded government-approved spray bottle that has all the relief and efficacy of cannabis. You'll wish people had the right to an ounce, because the feds will push this "solution" to medical marijuana, claiming everyone who wants to smoke crude pot just wants to get high.

          • Greenlv

            “…slightly elevated chance of a DUI”

            That is where we disagree. Where you, for the just cause of legalization, and for what you see as the greater good, are willing to minimize and misconstrue.

            Slightly elevated? Come on Russ. If i502 passed it could not be changed for two years by law. By then a cottage industry of DUIs, propelled by the tidal of cash and control attending, would institutionalize industry.

            I hear you on bar-coded cannabis. What happens when Monsanto gets to genetically alter the newly legal crop? I don’t think the anemic right to have an ounce is the answer to that push. The truth is. Truth demands one not to comply or become complicit to what one knows to be corrupt.

            This i502 Soccer-Mom sell-out is a disgrace. We did not need this poison-pill DUI no matter what the exit polls of prop 19 said. And I still say that it insulting to the core to accept the notion that one can buy an ounce from a State sanctioned store, but cannot Grow at Home. i502 is Bad Law and Will Not Pass.

          • http://radicalruss.com/ RadicalRuss

            Who runs this cottage industry? How many people have to get DUIDs to support this industry? How many people get cannabis DUIDs in Washington right now? You seem pretty convinced, so I suppose you have some projections or statistics to back it up.

            This is not happening in a vacuum. 14 other states have per se DUID laws. There was no huge spike in DUIDs in those states following passage of their laws, most of which are 0ng/ml or 2ng/ml.

            You go ahead and cling to your truth. I believe someday that 50%+1 of the voters will be ready to accept it. I just don’t believe that day is today. What we do know is that if I-502 loses, 8,000 Washingtonians next year will get misdemeanor drug records and spend 24 hours in jail, guaranteed. What we do know is that the folks proposing another TILT initiative have never gotten it on the ballot and still do not have significant funding, signatures, and support. The next presidential election, when initiatives have the best chance, is 32,000 drug convictions away.

            So, please, tell those thousands of Washingtonians who, for life, will have job, housing, and education roadblocks, that they just had to wait until the voters are ready for grow all you want, have all you want, sell all you want, anywhere you want, anytime you want, for any reason you want, because we couldn’t compromise for an elevated conviction risk on the exact same risk of being pulled over for DUID you experience now.

          • Greenlv

            Yes, radical, I will cling to the Truth.

            ” we couldn’t compromise for an elevated conviction risk on the exact same risk of being pulled over for DUID you experience now”

            Statistics do not lie, liars us statistics. It is not the exact same risk of being pulled over. 14 states may have a per se DUI, but they do not have the ‘legalization’ of pot to mainstream the DIU experience? The standardization of this is being forged even now. I’ll leave you to find some statistics to back you point-of-view, and use something called common sense. Hmm, once a DUI was mainstreamed, and pot is more prevalent, the officers go to the DUI training classes, paid for by the insane tax, do you think that number might go up?

            An elevated conviction risk? How bout concrete evidence one has broken the 5per se law. And never had impairment proven. Trial by jury will then save us? Those that can afford to get an attorney, and take the time off and get to court to battle this DUI. Can you be serious, you contend people vote in a law so they can go to court and hope a jury decides in their favor, by over turning the law, Jury activism? In mass?

            Oh, and did you like the great use of the pro 1502 on the laughable soccer-mom commercial! You think that’ll work?

            i502 is down in flames as it is Bad Law and Will Not Pass.